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Post by icedadams666 on Aug 23, 2012 11:15:15 GMT -5
I think that most E.E. items shouldnt be off because they are another mod added to the game... and is meant to be here....
The items that should be off are the condenser and transmutation tablet because we do have an economy, but most of the other dont interfere and should be allowed. For example, A destruction catalyst is pretty much the same thing as the mining laser except cleaner and causes less lag.
Some of the items I want:
Alchemical Chest
Dark Matter tools (Red Matter tools are way too OP, and this cost a crap load of diamonds)
The Talisman of Repair (I would under stand if this was of but I would like to have it in the game)
The Philosopher's Stone (Needed for many EE items)
The Destruction Catalyst (Same thing as a mining laser, causes less lag)
Red and Dark Matter Armor (Crappy Armor looks cool though)
The Alchemy Bag (Frees up inventory space, Good for when mining)
The diving rods (Helps with mining, I would understand if this is off)
Interdiction Torch (Keeps mobs away)
Collectors and Relays (Allow you to get EMC for your Klein stars to power the destruction catalyst and such)
Klein stars (Store EMC to power stuff)
Dark and Red Matter Furnaces (Really Fast Furnaces)
All of the Rings (Flying Ring has a bug that pulls you into lava if flying over it)
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Post by Celce on Aug 23, 2012 16:03:13 GMT -5
Sounds good to me.. We'd have to do some more serious thinking on what would screw with the economy and what wouldn't.. Obviously you're right about the condensor and whatnot, but I think we have to seriously look at the other things and see what all they are capable of being used for.. People can find loopholes.
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Post by Gn3sda on Aug 23, 2012 16:10:08 GMT -5
Moved Ice's post here, might as well make it the official discussion.
My inputs-
Too easy.
Too over powered (OP).
Not fun.
Goodbye economy!
Massive increase in lag. (from items that modify the world around you as you move).
LiveWire was originally going to be a town building/PVP/factions/economy server with awesome ranks just using bukkit. The addition of tekkit added a ton of awesome new features (number 1 being corporations). The addition of EE ruins... all of those things.
According to the OFFICIAL tutorial for EE (which I read today btw) after not even 8 hrs of gameplay the only things you will have left to do are:
"Do some of your personal challanges, like replacing every block in a chunk with diamond blocks and such. But, if you have no other desires, you alone, are.
Done with Equivalent Exchange 2!"
The mod is also a self described end game mod. If hundreds of us are trying to have fun playing this server, why should 1 person be able to end the server's fun after only 8 hours!!!
All large tekkit server have EE disabled (the fun ones at least).
I leave you with this quote from one of the largest tekkit servers. It is a good summation for anyone who wants to actually have fun with the game:
"EE is disabled. We have a very good reason for it. If you like to insist the EE MUST be enabled, then this isn't the server for you. If you rely on EE to gather every single item, this isn't the place for you. If you're the type of person who spends time and utilises parts of mods to create and collect the items they need, then this is the place for you"
EE = lazyness. That is all it comes down to.
Discuss away, if someone can make any valid point on parts of EE, it may be considered.
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Post by icedadams666 on Aug 23, 2012 16:37:14 GMT -5
I dont think its over powered it is part of the mod... thats like saying a jetpack and mining laser are op.
Also alot of people think EE is fun.
I love this server it's great and I think EE will add to that fun and so do many others.
EE was added for a reason and I think is a great additon.
"If you're the type of person who spends time and utilises parts of mods to create and collect the items they need, then this is the place for you"
Thats just like saying a quarry should be disabled
"Too easy" A quarry take out mining completly... at least with a destruction catalyst you have to go into a cave.
Lag go underground and spam a mining laser on explosive... Does the same thing..
a destruction catalyst would put it all into a lil ball and stop the lag...
A macerator doubles the ore you get...
A Tunnel bore can dig the same tunnel as a catalyst in more time and leaves the blocks on the ground...
You can disable the duplicating of items...
And the EE thing saying after 8 hours your done was for single player and that mod alone... On a server it can be used to help collect items and make machines (atleast on tekkit) Also you have friends to play with...
Why would the economy be gone? If you turn off the Duplication items all it does is mine... Also I make my money by selling diamonds if i had EE i would be saving diamonds for Stuff and you lose items to gain things in EE.
Why would people keep there rings on 24/7 The only time you would need it is if your being attacked then its reasonable
Not all of ee is OP because there are pleanty of items in tekkit already that can be considered OP but they arnt disabled.... like a quantum helmet you never have to eat... quantum boots you dont take fall damge its the same thing as the flying ring except the ring isnt armor...
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Post by Gn3sda on Aug 23, 2012 17:59:40 GMT -5
IC2 has risks and rewards. EE is all lazy rewards. You can auto produce thousands of diamonds per hour. That's all there is to say.
IC2 mining laser adds lag while in active use. EE has too many items that passively and constantly add lag.
You are missing the point with your post. I think EE is garbage BUT if you can make a point for a specific item then I may consider it.
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Post by icedadams666 on Aug 23, 2012 18:51:25 GMT -5
A Destruction catalyst less laggy mining thats all there is to say
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Post by Gn3sda on Aug 24, 2012 7:28:01 GMT -5
A Destruction catalyst less laggy mining thats all there is to say I open the floors and that's your best logic? No EE unless someone else can add valuable input. If the mining laser bothers you that much I can certainly disable it just for you btw. Let me know. |
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Post by icedadams666 on Aug 24, 2012 7:39:27 GMT -5
Nah i like it  |
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Post by icedadams666 on Aug 24, 2012 7:46:57 GMT -5
Screw EE just kepp the mining laser!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!
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Post by exorbital on Aug 24, 2012 10:24:33 GMT -5
How about this  . You could like an occupation or something to be a scientist. Only the scientist can you some EE tools??? Idk i'm just trying to help lol. |
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Post by Gn3sda on Aug 24, 2012 10:28:57 GMT -5
That's not bad Exo... I could make it a rank you have to purchase? (with in game money)
However I still wouldn't like all the items, so we need to deiced what items are fun/useful and what is op.
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Post by Celce on Aug 24, 2012 10:48:47 GMT -5
I really like the idea of occupations/ranks that you'd have to buy with in game money.
We can certainly figure out which items would be OP and so on.. Maybe we should set up a testing server (that doesn't cost you money) for this.
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Post by icedadams666 on Aug 24, 2012 11:09:20 GMT -5
The items that are useful are The Alchemy bag and Swiftwolfs Rending Gale
Unless extra storage and Fly with no fall damage is op?
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Post by Celce on Aug 24, 2012 11:16:48 GMT -5
What about destruction catalyst? Have you decided against that all of the sudden, Iced?
Also, what's wrong with the automatic crafting table or whatever it's called? It only takes the items you already have in your inventory and shows you what you can make with them.. then makes them if you choose to.
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Post by icedadams666 on Aug 24, 2012 11:24:22 GMT -5
No but he will never let that in because i don't have a valid point...
I'm going to rape forums untill i find something that sides with me
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. You could like an occupation or something to be a scientist. Only the scientist can you some EE tools??? Idk i'm just trying to help lol.